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roÌ„oÌ„d: Not “impolite†in English Versions of the Bible (except perhaps 2 Macc 12:14), but “untrained,†“ignorantâ€; compare the modern phrase, “a rude drawing.†So Sirach 8:4 (ἀπαιÌδεντος, apaıÌdeutos) and (ἰδιωÌτης, idioÌ„ÌteÌ„s, 'though I lack technical training in rhetoric'); compare the King James Version and the Revised Version margin Sirach 21:24.